Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

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Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby enthuzed » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:57 pm

Hi all,

I'm working out how to make things simpler when I it comes to swapping in the current TC 2L if/when the new TC 2.4 needs to come out, and then swap it back in again.
I plan on putting the air conditioning back in it's usual location and just unbolt the bracket when the engines get swapped back and forth.
I also want to mount the power steering pump back in the same(ish) location as a factory Starion.
Looking to make this as straight forward as possible

Give you the current setup:
It's a starion 2L block with a steampipe exhaust manifold and the turbo inlet piping running fairly straight beside the head. This is the setup as per
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Currently the PS pump is mounted where the AC normally goes. The alternator and bracket look like they are off a e39 Galant.

I will be installing the 2.4L 4g64 block as usual fitment, with the existing 2L as a back up donk. I want to mount the power steering pump back in the same(ish) location as a factory Starion.
Happy to mod the compressor intake pipe a bit, as long as it doesn't end up with a huge turn in it.

So happens I have a complete e39 (HG) 2L Galant block with all the hang ons including air conditioning; great for trial fitting stuff especially as it has the engine boss setup for the power steering bracket, just like the 2.4 does.

Issues I see for mounting accessories to the 2.4:
The exhaust manifold does not quite go on the Galant studs as the front of it fouls the heat shield for the PS pump. There's only a few millimetres in it though so might be an easy fix.
I figure it best to use a Starion water pump to connect the lower radiator hose , however the J pipe cannot run in the usual location due to the PS mount. As it stands, using the Galant PS bracket as intended, there looks like limited to no room to put on that hose.

Do I mod the Galant PS bracket so there's room there and also to accommodate the Starion water pump and J pipe?
The mount to the block also is ridiculous...it's simply over-engineered for a North South setup so chop chop will happen if required.
What's the best way to do that?

Does Redzone's TC PS bracket overcome some or all of these issues on the 2L setup?

I'll post up some pics soon to help comprehension of these issues.

Looking forward to some answers so thanks in advance. :)
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby enthuzed » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:15 pm

Heat coating this when I know stuff will fit, including aftermarket Mitsubishi style turbos onto this.
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Galant setup
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Galant: no room for lower radiator hose or j pipe
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby redzone » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:51 am

Looks like the whole thing would need re engineering...
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby enthuzed » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:23 am

Please elaborate, Dave
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby redzone » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:27 am

By re engineering I mean redoing. Almost nothing from the current conversion will work if you want power steering and a/c.
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby enthuzed » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:51 am

Here's the VR4 powered JA from Sth Australia that's still for sale ( :wtf) a perfect example of a TC with the PS in the factory location.

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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby enthuzed » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:11 pm

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What I find amazing is that not only the PS assembly is in the factory location, but so is the radiator overflow bottle. Where is the compressor outlet pipe running?

And is this turbo likely to be a big 16g?
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby redzone » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:55 am

By the looks of that wastegate is a kinugawa td05. I'd bet the ic pipe is going under the headlight..
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby enthuzed » Sat May 02, 2015 5:07 pm

Agreed, Dave
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby niss720 » Wed May 06, 2015 9:53 pm

Nah that's a VR4 narrow block motor, bolted to the stock gearbox with an adapter plate, they've cut holes between the rad support and the part that comes out next yo the headlight off the rad support (if you know what I mean) turbo is stock vr4, but the wastegate is there to replace the vr4 one as it was completely stuffed
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Re: Issues to sort for regular swapping of 64 to 63 engines

Postby niss720 » Wed May 06, 2015 9:56 pm

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